I’ve built a couple of AWD fatbikes out of my Boris X9 donorbike that I bought for $700 on BikeIsland.com, all have been something of a disappointment. I have to admit that this current build firmly joins my other AWD builds in the ‘disappointing’ category. It is a startling contrast to have a MAC motor and a BBS02 on the same bike with separate throttles and be able to switch back and forth in real-time between the two motors. While the front wheel motor is useful when the bike bogs down in deep snow and gets stuck, most of the time it is just 10 lbs of dead weight getting carried around. When you use the front Mac motor going up hills it only increases your speed 1-2mph at most although it does take a lot of load off the BBS02. With a 32-34T front crank gear you hardly need it as you can peg the throttle and keep 1000 watts pouring into the BBS02 all day as long as it is spinning fast and it doesn’t seem to mind. The controller fries when you keep the 42T-48T ring that it ships from Bafang with instead of replacing it with a BCD104 adapter and steel chain-ring that is more appropriate for trailriding (32-34T).
The biggest problem is that when running the front motor you massively increase your power consumption for a marginal increase in power and traction. The BBS02 drivetrain stand on its own and the Mac cannot compete at comparable power levels. With the Mac motor you have to make decisions about what power level to set it at, I used a 6FET controller from Edward Lyen that is set at 25 Amps. The Mac is a normal (not FatMac) rear hub mounted on the front wheel. The 135mm spacing is perfect and it lines up pretty well.
You can run the Mac motor all day at 25 Amps without any real risk of it overheating or burning out the clutch. Once you start dumping 30-40 Amps into it you have to pay attention to the motor temps. Who really wants to do that? Since most of the time you are dumping power into the front hub motor when it is stuck and can’t turn, that is essentially the WORST time to be putting lots of power into the motor because all you do when the motor can’t spin is create a whole lot of heat.
The Boris X9 is a nice frame with low stand-over height which is incredibly useful when riding on packed down XC ski trails with 2 feet of powder on either side. I liked being able to dismount the bike and find footing without ramming my crotch on the top-tube and then falling over every time (this happens a lot with my other 2 fatbikes).
Unfortudently the X9 also ships with a 10 speed cassette and derailleur. The X9 is the only bike I’ve had trouble with broken chains on (with the BBS02), and I expect if you make the mistake of shifting under load you’ll have a few snapped chains as well. I highly recommend carrying around SRAM PowerLinks around with you when you ride as they will save a lot of time fixing chains and only cost a few dollars each. Make sure your power links are the right size for your chains. My personal feeling is that 7-8 speeds are ideal for the BBS02 if the front chain-ring is sized correctly and the largest cog on the cassette is 32T or bigger. Some cassettes have cogs as big as 36T which I highly recommend.
While my initial ideas about the importance of AWD on a snow bike were wrong, it took me several AWD builds to realize this. From this point I plan on experimenting with the use of skis to keep the bike from sinking down in deep powder and for the most part will probably totally give up on AWD. In my opinion Hub motors have no place on bikes designed for the snow, mid drives are the only way to go. You spend most of your time moving at 5mph or less and powering through powder will cause a lot of trouble with any hub motor I’ve seen on the market. The fat bike tire diameter is too big and the gearing is not enough to power these tires through hardly any snow at all. The best build I’ve done yet is my $900 ‘Sun Kiss’ DIY 42lb conversion found here out of a Deadeye Monster that takes about 4 hours start to finish.
You will need to mount a 100mm axle on the BBS02 to get it to work with the Boris X9. More on that here.
Instructions for installing a BBS02 are here.
24 thoughts on “The Reaper – AWD Boris X9 DIY BBS02 100mm 12T Mac ~$2200 57 lbs (w/o battery)”
I enjoyed the article. I have a bbso2 on a carbon fiber road bike. I am wondering if I am overgeared using the 48? Will I lose speed using a 44?
Most likely but you’ll gain torque. I haven’t built many road bikes with the BBS02 but I have 42/44/48 and 52T gears to try this summer. I suspect I’ll probably stick with the 42T.
The BBS02 is most efficient at around 500 watts. I pick my front ring size to match the steepest grade I need to climb.
Thanks! I think I will have to try the 44 to really see. If I am lugging it (can you lug an electric?) then I may not lose any. I will have to see soon. I blew my controller by accidentally shorting it, but hopefully I can get one soon.
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hows about a bafang on this beauty?????
Er, no, the bike.
This super-woman doesn’t use electric motors but the bike builders who supply her have already built what I was referring to……..
Karl, I reckon this setup would make your all your other builds rust to dust
I’ve been talking to Steve Christini for several months now, I didn’t want to do an article on that bike till I got a chance to thrash on it. There are a lot of people that have written about it and the design looks solid.
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